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Joshua and Agamemnon

Published October 29, 2016 by amaic

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Joshua’s Miracle of the Sun:

Appropriated in ‘The Iliad’


Damien F. Mackey


The fictitious Greek king, Agamemnon, appears in Homer’s The Iliad, in at least one notable instance, like Joshua, praying for the Sun not to set so that Agamemnon might be victorious.


“Zeus, most glorious, most great, the one of the dark clouds, that dwellest in the heaven, grant that the sun set not, neither darkness come upon us, until I have cast down in headlong ruin the hall of Priam … burned with consuming fire”. (Illiad II:412-415)


This is not the only instance in which The Iliad has borrowed from colourful biblical events. See e.g. my:

Judith the Jewess and “Helen” the Hellene

Moreover, the famous standoff between Agamemnon and Achilles, also in The Iliad, reminds me of the hostile encounter in the Book of Judith (chapter 5) between the bombastic “Holofernes” and his subordinate, “Achior” (a name not unlike Achilles).

And I have previously provided abundant evidence for the use of the books of Tobit and Job in Homer’s The Odyssey.

Yet we constantly read statements such as: “Western civilization begins with the two greatest books of the ancient world, the Iliad and the Odyssey by the Greek poet Homer”.

The crucial Hebrew inspiration behind all of this usually goes completely unacknowledged.


Antediluvians and Greco-Roman Gods

Published October 3, 2016 by amaic



Damien F. Mackey


Herman Saini and Roger Waite, who follows Saini, are both of the opinion that

the biblical “Naamah” (Genesis 4:22) was the Greek goddess of myth, Athena.  



Herman Saini, in his book Satan Vs. God: A Brief History, has identified on p. 322:


Cain as Kronos;

Lamech as Zeus;

Jubal as Apollo;

Tubalcain as Vulcan;

Naamah as Athena.


Previously (p. 248), Saini had written:


Hephaestus is called ‘the god of fire’; ‘god of metalworking’; the son of Zeus and Hera. Thus Hephaestus is the son of Zeus. However, he was not the son of Hera, but Demeter who was identified with Zillah. This is an attempt to corrupt the truth. Many myths compare Hephaestus to his sister Athena who was said to be of ‘sublime character’. Hephaestus in comparison was not of sublime character, thus implying that he was sexually immoral. Athena was considered to be the virgin goddess. Hephaestus and Athena are both mentioned as having taught men many luxurious arts. This means that they were inventors of luxuries such as jewelry, ornaments, textiles, clothing, beautiful metal fixtures for houses and palaces.


Myths also mention that with Athena Hephaestus taught men many crafts throughout the world. As a result men who before used to live in caves now live peacefully in their own homes throughout the year. These people were now employed by him in his works manufacturing household utensils, agricultural implements, weapons and many other useful products. This shows that Hephaestus with his father, brothers and sisters started the industrial revolution in the pre-Flood world, and employed people in their arts, crafts, construction and weapons industries.


The Roman Venus, who is the Greek Aphrodite was Hephaestus’ wife. All the myths mention her as unfaithful to Hephaestus. He was equally sexually immoral. Hephaestus was the god of fire, metalworking, building, and fine arts. He was the god of fire in the sense that he worked with fire to forge weapons, implements, utensils, jewelry and other arts and crafts out of metals. He was later identified with the Italian volcano god Adranus-Volcanus, hence as the god of volcanoes. The description of Hephaestus’ or Vulcan in the myths perfectly matches the Bible description of Tubalcain in Genesis 4:22 ‘…Tubalcain, an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron’. Hence Tubalcain is the Greek Hephaestus, or the Roman Vulcan.

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An identification of the biblical Tubal-cain with the Roman god, Vulcan (Greek: Hephaestus), appears at least to be generally accepted.

Along lines very similar to Saini, Waite has written, “Man’s History from Adam to Abraham”:’sHistoryfromAdamtoAbraham.pdf


Understanding the Myths


Now for some specific examples. First consider Cronus (Kronos), called Saturn by the Romans, who was the son of Uranus. The myths say that he was the ancient god of seed sowing and that he was dethroned by Zeus. Here, in actuality, is the story of Cain who was the first to practice agriculture and who was slain by Lamech!


The myths further tell us that the father of Cronus was Uranus. Uranus was the first “king”. This term “king” often means a ruler or patriarch. And Uranus is sometimes presented as the husband of Gaea. Gaea was “mother earth” — that is, the mother of all

living on earth! The Greeks myths also state that Uranus and Gaea were the first man

and women! This could be none other than Adam and Eve!


The goddess known as Hera among the Greeks and Juno among the Romans was also

considered the “Mother of all Living”, the original “Queen of Heaven”, or the “Mother of Childbirth”. This is also is Eve!


This fact serves to introduce a key point about the myths: IN some cases, several names were applied to the same individual; in other instances, several separate historical figures were given the same name.


Mackey’s comment: I made a similar observation in my article:

Similarities to The Odyssey of the Books of Job and Tobit


in which I found that the multi-identified Athena, in the guise of a young man, now takes the place of the angel Raphael of the Book of Tobit, in the guise of a young man.

Thus I wrote:


I need to point out right at the start that it sometimes happens that incidents attributed to the son, in the Book of Tobit, in Job, might, in The Odyssey, be attributed to the son’s father, or vice versa (or even be attributed to some less important character). The same sort of mix occurs with the female characters.


Roger Waite continues:


Thus, in understanding the myths, it becomes necessary to separate out the different descriptions and apply them properly on the bases of the Bible account. So keep this factor in mind when reading the succeeding paragraphs. Actually, this twin device of making one many or making many into one is what makes myth a myth. This was deliberately conjured up by the pagan religious leaders to cloud the true meaning!


Sometimes one name was applied to different personages both human and divine! Consider the Greek god Zeus (whom the Romans called Jupiter.) Zeus was the husband

of Iicra (Juno) and the “Father of All Mankind”. This could be no one but Adam. Yet Zeus

was also the FATHER OF ALL LIFE, the father of all the “gods”. In this sense Zeus is God Himself. After all, the Greeks did retain some knowledge of the true God, as did all

ancient peoples. Bear in mind that Lamech, husband of Adah and Zillah, was also called

Zeus. This Zeus was the father of Athena or (Naamah).


Lamech was a “Zeus” in the sense that he was the strong man of his day, the most famous man in the line of Cain before the Flood — a Zeus by reputation, in other words!

And, in another important sense, he was a “Father of Life” when we consider that he was

the father of the key person in the family of Cain who lived through the Flood — Athena or Naamah!


The derivation of the word “Zeus” is important. Many scholars admit that this term comes

from the word “Zee” meaning “life” (with the “s” being added as it often is in Greek names). As already stated, God is the father of all life, Adam the father of human life, and Lamech the father of a life that came through the Flood — and so it becomes clear why this name would be applied.


This presents another important factor, the basis of mythological “names.” Actually these “names” were not really names at all but close derivatives of Greek words which had significant meanings. Thus these mythological names were really TITLES WHICH IMPLIED CHARACTERISTICS of real (not fictional) historical personalities. We find similar usage’s of this type in the Bible: for instance, Isaac means “laughter” and Jacob means “supplanter.”


Let’s move on to Vulcan or (Vul-Cain) whom we have identified as Tubalcain. “Vulcan” was what the Romans called him, while to the Greeks he was Hephaestus. This was the god of light or fire. In one part of the myths he is uniquely described as having fallen from heaven like lightening — and the volcanoes we have on earth are the result of his work — because he rebelled and brought destruction and chaos! This, plainly, is the story of Satan! It could not be the description of a human being.


On the other hand, Hephaestus of Vulcan was a god-hero who worked with fire, used it to forge implements out of iron, and developed certain arts and crafts. Webster’s dictionary describes him as “the god of fire and of metalworking”. He was the “god of fire” in the sense that he worked with fire in doing his metalwork. Here, plainly, we are dealing with the description of a mortal man! In this case we again have an instance of one name being applied to more than one personage — one a human, the other a spirit.


One of the most famous of Greek goddesses was Athena. The city of Athens was named in her honor! To all Greeks she was a symbol of courage, self-control, weaving, and skilled in the arts of war! What famous pre-Flood woman had these remarkable characteristics. None other than Naamah, daughter of Lamech and sister of Vulcan or Tubalcain. In Chapter Three it was stated that Jewish tradition showed her to be famous

as a weaver of cloth. And, since the mighty Tubalcain was her brother, she undoubtedly

took up some of his war-like practices. That is why Athena is sometimes pictured brandishing a spear and was regarded as being a goddess of war as well as of weaving.

Only Naamah could fit this seemingly incongruous description!


Now Athena is never associated with Aphrodite (called Venus by the Romans). Aphrodite

was the goddess of beauty and sensual love. She was actually a harlot or prostitute! Venus was the wife of Vulcan in pre-Flood times and so is the Semiramis of post-Flood history. She was actually a very distasteful type of person. She is mentioned here to show the contrast with Athena. These famous women were entirely different types of individuals. Only if they had been real women in real life with a definite impact on actual

history — only then could they be this clearly delineated in character and actions!


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